Will Marvel Phase 4 End in a Secret War for the Mcu?


With Avengers: Endgame is Captain Marvel Both enter the box office history and the presentation of Marvel's Hall H in San Diego Comicon in a few weeks (presumably), the Marvel Cinematic Universe rumor is about to overdrive on what's coming in Marvel Phase 4. Part of the fun of these voices is thinking if they make sense in the context of the continuity of the comic, of the continuity of the MCU and of the practical reality. When I saw this voice about what Peyton Reed could like to do with the Fantastic Four film for a potential restart of 2022, immediately brought to mind a scenario that controlled all three boxes.

Marvel Studios points to a 2022 version for the "Fantastic Four" reboot. The sources also say that the director of & # 39; Ant-Man & # 39; Peyton Reed is pushing to direct, and has already launched his vision of the movie in Feige several times. Reed's pitch includes a setting from the 60's involving Quantum Realm and perhaps The Black Knight.

Will Marvel Phase 4 End in A Secret War?

The city of Microverse of Quantum Realm

Putting together comments made by Peyton Reed, the director of both Ant man is Ant-Man and the Vespa, from beyond last year seems to give us a strong indication of what it could be launched Kevin Feige – and it has many implications for the Marvel Phase 4 – but let's start with this: last fall during the home video of Ant-Man and the Vespa, Reed made a point calling an easter egg that can be identified in that film:

While Hank and Janet launch themselves out of the quantum realm into the quantum pod, perhaps they block the frame on some of these, and see if you can see something in the distance in the Quantum Realm.

The thing that can be seen in the distance at that time in the Quantum Realm seems to be a city.

Microverse City of Ant-Man and Wasp

More recently, Jackson Sze, Senior Visual Development Artist at Marvel Studios, has published his concept art for "Microverse City" and surroundings your Instagram account. It is clear from its context that he's talking the same thing Peyton Reed is talking about:

Microverse City developed for Antman and the Wasp. I wonder if Scott Lang came here during his unscheduled stay in the Quantum Realm. You can catch the shortest taste of this when Hank and Janet leave the quantum realm.

Having started my concept art career in environmental design, it's always fun to do some pure environment concepts in Marvel Studios.

Concept art for Microverse City, seen again in Marvel Phase 4?

In before messages of environmental concepts from Ant-Man and the VespaSze dropped another fascinating breath:

This it was an exploration of the Microverse in Antman and the Wasp. It is not as small or deep as the Quantum Realm so there are still understandable and familiar elements in the landscape.

It has been widely assumed that the Quantum Realm of the MCU is the functional equivalent of the subatomic realm that has passed from several different names in Marvel comics, particularly the Microverse. The prevailing theory was that the name was changed to Quantum Realm because Marvel had no rights to use that name since it no longer has the license to publish Micronauts. But Marvel Comics has used the term Microverse on several occasions after the Micronauts comic franchise ended at Marvel (and in particular, Marvel retained the rights and continued to use some characters created for comics). However, when Peyton Reed alludes to copyright issues with the term, it could refer to something else. While the Hasbro brands on Microverse seem dead, Byron Preiss & # 39; right of the author for the book The Microverse seems to be directly on the point here.

More interestingly, Sze clearly refers to Microverse as something distinct from the Quantum Realm when discussing its design concepts.

Special surprise guest star: Ant-Man

Many of these elements suggest the adventure of the first Marvel Universe comic that characterized Microverse, Fantastic Four # 16. In this 1963 comic book of the early years of the Marvel silver age, the Fantastic Four make use of Ant Man's help to help them take Doctor Destino, who had previously joined the Microverse and quickly conquered a small kingdom there. Is this kingdom in the Microverse the "Microverse City" to which Jackson Sze refers? It seems possible, and in the context of this entry, it might make sense given the experience of Peyton Reed with Ant-Man and the Quantum Realm. Also, Reed is familiar with this specific comic, Fantastic Four # 16, which introduces the FF in the equation:

"I've always been fascinated by the various versions of Marvel Comics' micro-verse because I was a grown up child reading Marvel and for the first time I had presented it in Fantastic Four. It was a first plot of Doctor Destiny where everyone was reduced to the micro-verse and stuff … "

The origins of Marvel Phase 4?

Reed thought about what he would do with the FF for a while, as he was destined to direct a film with the team for Fox in 2003. discussed his opinion on it a bit in 2015:

Hey, the Fantastic Four are fighting behind the corner! "People end up with Starbucks and the camera flies around the corner to this splash page image, where the Human Torch flies, The Thing is fighting, and it's just chaos. In fact, Joss's first Avengers movie has had that feeling: it's daylight, it was a time when you didn't have the technology, so many of those fights took place at night, we thought that doing it in the city during the day would be a lot of fun. a kind of modern celebrity. There were many different versions of it, but that was a movie I really wanted to make.

What about the bad guy? Well, waaaaaay in 2002, screenwriter Doug Petrie elaborated on what he and Reed had in mind for the franchise. he revealed their grip on the villain of the team's signature, Doctor Doom, and outlined some concepts that seem to be very compatible with what Reed has said in recent years:

The Fantastic Four "will mostly miss the back-story and will start in a New York where the team already exists – in a world where, unlike" X-Men ", they are anything but anti-heroes.

"They are the biggest celebrities in New York City," Petrie explained. "For the outside world, they are the coolest superheroes in the world. (But) when they get home, they fight over everything. They order pizzas and discuss who gets the best costumes and stuff like that. It's a family comedy when they get to closed doors.

This is all a great adaptation both thematically and chronologically Fantastic Four # 16. This is not to say that the film will be a scene-by-scene match to that comic, because that's not how the MCU works. But it's quite suitable for what Reed has suggested and recent rumors, and the concepts here could be mixed and matched with other Marvel comic concepts, if necessary.

Soup of the possible multiverse

In this blog post 2015, Spyridon Michalakis, Quantum Physicist and Manager of Outreach for the Institute for Quantum Information and Matter of Caltech – and also consultant for Ant Man and other Marvel Studios films – describes the Quantum Realm and how the term was used in the MCU:

We have discussed many things, but what has thrilled everyone has been the idea that the laws of physics as we know them can collapse as we enter more and more into the quantum realm. You see, all the other superheroes, no matter how strong and super, had powers that conformed to the laws of physics (stretching them from time to time, but never breaking them). But if someone could go to a place where the laws of physics as we know them were not yet formed, at a point where the arrow of time was broken and the fabric of space was not yet woven, the powers of such a master of the quantum realm would be limited only by their ability to return to the same (or similar) reality from which they started. All Marvel and DC Comics superheroes combined would have no chance against Ant-Man with a malfunctioning regulator …

Three years later, after Avengers: Infinity War he had been released, Michalakis continued to his explanations of the quantum realm:

… you can engineer reality to manifest itself to your liking, just as a computer programmer can write code that allows you to experience being a soldier in virtual reality, fighting unicorns with lasers during the First World War. Space and time are dimensions that emerge from a soup of possibilities as well, the Quantum Realm. The laws of physics are only suggestions within the Quantum Realm, taking only a more defined form as we "move away" from that place of infinite possibilities, to find ourselves in the macroscopic world we call home.

While the terms seem to be used improperly by various other parts involved in the film from time to time, Michalakis' description here traces with designer Jackson Sze making a distinction between the Microverse and the scale-based Quantum Realm saying of Microverse, "It is not as small or deep as the Quantum Realm so there are still understandable and familiar elements in the landscape. "

Quantum Realm itself, which Michalakis also describes as "a place where time and space dissolve", is perhaps not a place where a developed civilization or city could be found. You may find something similar while you are enlarging the Quantum Realm or when you move away from it. You could find many other strange places on this trip.

Quantum theory: what would Peyton Reed do with the fantastic four?

The dimensions of the Multiverse such as Dark Dimension and Astral Dimension are already present in the MCU in connection with Doctor Strange and the Quantum Realm. If the Microverse is really something apart from the Quantum Realm, we can also consider it as a dimension. In a trailer for Spider-Man: away from home, Mysterio claims to come from Earth-833. Other dimensions have also been mentioned in the MCU.

There may be at least one other particularly interesting dimension mentioned in Peyton Reed Ant-Man and the Vespa. Away from home in a place that can only be reached through Quantum Realm, Janet Van Dyne connects with Scott Lang through the quantum entanglement, and is able to send Hank and Hope Pym a message to help her find it: "Meet me in the Wasteland beyond the quantum void. "Most observers have speculated that" Wasteland "is a term to throw away here, but given the context, I have my doubts.

The Wasteland is still another well-established Marvel dimension, and Janet Van Dyne and Mysterio play important roles there … along with Old Man Logan. This could be a suggestion about what he was doing during those 30 years he disappeared.

Weirdworlds of Doom and the Black Knight

As you may recall, the current voice says in part, "Reed's tone includes a setting of the 60's involving Quantum Realm, and perhaps The Black Knight." The character was the subject of a previous round of rumors in December 2018 that simply stated that the plans were being worked on to bring the character to the MCU, and that these the plans concerned the quantum realm.

The Black Knight might seem a little strange with the rest of this, but given the path we are tracing here, the answer is simple. The character was recently seen in a 2015 series called Weirdworldand the size of Weirdworld is another well-established Marvel Comics concept. And the vivid works of art in this Weirdworld series are a great match for the psychedelic representation of the surroundings of the Quantum Kingdom in the MCU. It is also noteworthy that the kingdom in the Microverse of Fantastic Four # 16 it seems to be a sort of medieval style kingdom, and that the Black Knight would fit there too. Furthermore, the magical elements of the character also fit Dr Doom well and could open the plot of this film to characters from Dr. Strange or FF as Agatha Harkness.

Quantum theory: what would Peyton Reed do with the fantastic four?

Created by Mike Ploog is Doug Moench and initially appearing in Marvel Super Action # 1 (Magazine version B & W, 1976), Weirdworld has become the home of Tolkienesco magic and fantasy stories among other things. More recently, a 2015 miniseries from Jason Aaron is Mike del Mundo featured the black knight and also included characters ranging from Man-Thing to Morgan le Fay. In the comics, the black knight has often been a member of the Avengers and even romantically involved with a character who is about to play a leading role in a film coming out of Marvel – Sersi of the Eternals.

Marvel Phase 4 and Secret War

Weirdworlds, the Wasteland, the Microverse and other dimensions were all realms that were saved and patched into a world – a Battleworld – by Doctor Doom during the 2015 version of the Secret Wars Crossover event and the clues and rumors about the MCU Marvel Phase 4 seem to support the idea that this arc of the Marvel film universe could constitute the Multiverse – only to destroy it at the end of Phase 4, perhaps in a couple of Secret Wars movies that are the general equivalent of Avengers: Infinity War is Avengers: Endgame films that have completed Phase 3.

Quantum theory: what would Peyton Reed do with the fantastic four?

Feige has known Reed since the director failed to take over at the helm Fantastic Four to Fox in 2002, and the two of them seem to be in sync on the importance of the Quantum Realm for the future of the MCU. he told IGN in 2014:

Peyton is someone I've been a fan of for a long time. People might not remember, even though your readers probably remember, that they were linked to Fantastic four more than 10 years ago. We spent a lot of time together … and I went very well with Peyton, very well and he had fantastic ideas and a fantastic vision for the film, and for various reasons he ended up leaving that movie …

"He came to meet many of our films over the years, especially the guardians. He had many fantastic things to say about the Guardians. But James (Gunn) had a slightly firmer grip that interested us, but Peyton was always in the our lists, and so when it happened and Edgar (Wright) said "Not for me" we met with a handful of people, but Peyton was always one that I thought would be great.

For his part, Reed talked about how he would like to bring the FF into the fold of the Marvel Studios from before the Disney / Fox deal was officially closed. Reed is also on the record noting that although the Quantum Realm did not exist in the Edgar Wright is Joe Cornish draft of the script, it was not a mandate from Feige to attack the one in there – just a suggestion.

And yet … it is difficult to imagine that the development of this seemingly crucial concept has not been carefully planned. Within about three months of Edgar Wright's departure Ant man besides the conflicts with the script changes that Marvel wanted, Marvel had brought one of the most important quantum physicists in the world to Spyridon Michalakis to help them get the right physics. By 2015, Feig had removed the controversial Marvel Creative Committee, and he, Peyton Reed and even Michael Douglas were promoting the importance of the Quantum Realm. Soon even more intelligent characters from the world Stephen Hawking and the immortal Keanu Reeves had gone out of agreement with Paul Rudd to explain the importance of Quantum Entanglement in the world. Marvel has been all-in about this concept for years.

He started with 1963 Fantastic Four question that may have given Peyton Reed the core of the idea he launched in Feige? It will end with the decimation of the Multiverse and the dismantling of the strange worlds left in a single world by Doctor Destiny, as in Secret Wars?

We may not know the answer soon, but we will certainly have some additional suggestions. Marvel missed Hall H in San Diego Comicon last year, and between this year's event and / or Disney's D23 a month later, the timing seems right for some big announcements. Beyond The Eternals, Black Widow, is Shang-Chi, the study has at least four "pretended but unnamed" series of Marvel films scheduled between now and the end of 2022. Sequels like Black Panther 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 seem likely within that time frame, which could leave them with room on the program for this FF movie that is said and something else. If c & # 39; is something for the Secret Wars Quantum theory, it may not reach the years beyond 2022. As for the months to come, while the secrets they reveal may not be secret wars, they are likely to offer some clues as to where the realm of the next could be.

About Mark Seifert

Co-founder and creative director of Bleeding Cool, Avatar Press. Bleeding Cool Managing Editor, technician and data wrangler. Hobbyist in machine learning. Addict of vintage paper.

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